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    Age means nothing. Last week two 14 year olds broke into a friends truck, rummaged thru the glove box and found a extra set of keys to his wife's car. They stole her car but crashed and was arrested, both had a concealed handgun. Hey, this was not their first run in with the law. The 2018 Lincoln MKZ was totaled. I'm sure if they had been confronted by my friend while attempting to break into his truck, the guns would have been used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakyak View Post
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    Let's say, for the sake of argument, that this was a set up by the teen to see if anyone was home so that he or a group of kids could rob the place. What information in the article even remotely points to firing at the kid, or the ol' Joe Biden warning shot off of the porch being the best option?

    IMO, it looks like the homeowners were looking for a nail to hammer.
    Can't imagine anything that justifies firing arms at someone who's some distance away, running away, long after any justifiable threat has passed.

    That said ...

    Who knows what really happened at the doorstep. Might well have been one or more kids looking to get "sporty" with someone's property, via burglary. Might well have been some words exchanged that we know nothing of. So far, at least in that one news report, we've heard only one side of things. No telling whether that's the full story, or whether there was more that happened which justified some of the steps taken by the homeowner ... though, as suggested, I can't imagine anything that would justify actually firing upon the person IF the distance/direction/timing is as reported in that news article.

    I suppose the fact the guy got arrested and charged is indicative. Though who knows how far the investigation went and whether counter claims were made by the guy who was arrested.
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    I bet solicitors avoid his place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOS24 View Post
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    There are a few things about this story just don’t seem right, beyond the obvious of the homeowner shooting at the teenager when he was running away.

    So a 14 year old has no clue where his school is located, but expects a stranger to? Did they just move to the neighborhood? Why didn’t he go to someone’s house he knew or at least who he knew to have kids who also rode the bus?

    I understand he didn’t have a cell phone, but does his house have a home phone? Why not return home and call someone?

    I agree. Aside from the obvious problem with the guy who shot at the kid; something seems very fishy about the "can't find my school" story.

    He's 14...that's not exactly a little child. If he missed the bus, wouldn't that mean he's near his house? It just seems odd that he would start ringing doorbells waiting for someone to answer and tell him how to get to school.

    I'd like to hear what really happened once this case goes to court.

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    Still not looking good for the shooter.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ons/516576002/


    From the article:


    Walker’s statement to police differed from that given by Zeigler, according to assistant prosecutor Kelly Collins.

    “We do have the benefit of home security video,” Collins told the court Friday. He said Zeigler’s account was not borne out by the video.

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    One thing to consider. The Democratic Socialist Communist Party has been going around the block for decades. Longer than just about any body here has been alive. They're first rodeo was so long ago nobody remembers what State it was in. They're a well oiled, super funded machine that never sleeps, never stops digging, never stops being prepared. This guy that took the shot has a record as a loose cannon. Just saying.

    On the other hand I'm expected to believe a grown woman and her practically grown son missed the school bus and got lost trying to find the school. They knocked at this guys house. LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arejay View Post
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    One thing to consider. The Democratic Socialist Communist Party has been going around the block for decades. Longer than just about any body here has been alive. They're first rodeo was so long ago nobody remembers what State it was in. They're a well oiled, super funded machine that never sleeps, never stops digging, never stops being prepared. This guy that took the shot has a record as a loose cannon. Just saying.

    On the other hand I'm expected to believe a grown woman and her practically grown son missed the school bus and got lost trying to find the school. They knocked at this guys house. LOL.
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    Everyone is speculating on what the kid was really doing at the guys door, but it doesn't matter. If the homeowner was suspicious the best course of action would have been to call the police. You can't shoot at someone for what you think they might do. My first thought on the kid's action is that perhaps he was new to the area. I'll stick with that until more information about the kid and his possible intentions comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Preacher View Post
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    Everyone is speculating on what the kid was really doing at the guys door, but it doesn't matter. If the homeowner was suspicious the best course of action would have been to call the police. You can't shoot at someone for what you think they might do. My first thought on the kid's action is that perhaps he was new to the area. I'll stick with that until more information about the kid and his possible intentions comes out.
    Exactly!

    EX: It would be really hard for someone to justify shooting at a person who walks up and asks for a cigarette, when their excuse for shooting is that they heard about some people using that tactic to rob someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preacher View Post
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    Everyone is speculating on what the kid was really doing at the guys door, but it doesn't matter. If the homeowner was suspicious the best course of action would have been to call the police. You can't shoot at someone for what you think they might do. My first thought on the kid's action is that perhaps he was new to the area. I'll stick with that until more information about the kid and his possible intentions comes out.
    I think just about everyone here agrees the shooter was not justified, based on the story as presented. The problem some of us have is with the story as presented. And, while race (or other demographics) is no doubt a factor in many of our personal encounters both good and bad, I believe introducing demographics into every encounter does a disservice to all demographics.

    I'm also concerned that if it turns out the kid was up to no good, the shooter had reason to be suspicious, or race was in no way involved, the lamestream media will drop the story rather than correct initial reports.

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    I think just about everyone here agrees the shooter was not justified, based on the story as presented. The problem some of us have is with the story as presented. And, while race (or other demographics) is no doubt a factor in many of our personal encounters both good and bad, I believe introducing demographics into every encounter does a disservice to all demographics.

    I'm also concerned that if it turns out the kid was up to no good, the shooter had reason to be suspicious, or race was in no way involved, the lamestream media will drop the story rather than correct initial reports.

    John W in SC
    I agree with this. I know that the media is determined to stir the pot. But even if the kid was up to no good, suspicion is not cause. Details are missing. Hopefully they will come to light later, but the shooter seems to be in for a world of hurt.
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    We're never going to know if it was racially motivated unless the wife and or shooter admits that it was. It's always going to be speculation. The facts are all that really matters. And the fact is, this would never have even been a story if the shooter had not fired a shot. Apparently, the surveillance tape doesn't match the story the shooter and wife gave. Maybe there is a cover up that will be exposed in court, but that seems like a reach at this point IMO.

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    There probably is more to the story. But, there are not very many circumstances, even in law enforcement, where shooting at someone running away is justified (I was involved tangentially and directly in a couple of those kinds of incidents. These are always controversial situations involving lots of reports, meetings, and administrative hysterics. I was even fussed at once for NOT shooting at an armed fleeing felon! But, I knew there was a sheriff's car right outside where he was running to.) For citizens, they key is whether your life is in danger. If someone is running away, it is very difficult to justify shooting on that basis. And, yes, states vary in how they view stuff like that.

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    Looks to me like both parties may not have made the best choices or had the best motives. A kid up to no good picks a house where a guy shoots with less than legal provocation. The kid picked the wrong house. The guy shot when he shouldn't. If the kid had gone to a different house we wouldn't be chatting about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hackberry View Post
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    There probably is more to the story. But, there are not very many circumstances, even in law enforcement, where shooting at someone running away is justified (I was involved tangentially and directly in a couple of those kinds of incidents. These are always controversial situations involving lots of reports, meetings, and administrative hysterics. I was even fussed at once for NOT shooting at an armed fleeing felon! But, I knew there was a sheriff's car right outside where he was running to.) For citizens, they key is whether your life is in danger. If someone is running away, it is very difficult to justify shooting on that basis. And, yes, states vary in how they view stuff like that.

    I agree that the guy should have never shot at the kid. Thank heavens the kid wasn't hit.

    I wonder if the reason the kid was at the door in the first place will make any difference in what will happen to the shooter. It's also possible the kid was telling the truth and he was looking for his school. Seems a little sketchy but I suppose anything can be true. Even so, the guy should never have shot at him. He better be thanking God right now that he's such a bad shot.

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