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    Careful, it might be illegal

    Since getting my conceal carry permit and learning different state gun laws, I’ve become more cognizant of other weapon laws in the various states I travel. Now in this age of different self-defense tools that are being marketed, I think a lot of people just assume they are all legal. What many don’t realize is depending on the state you go to various items are illegal. The certain knives, pepper spray and stun guns are a little more apparent. But, there are also items like monkey fists and those keychain weapons with holes in them that are also illegal in some states. Monkey fists with metal balls inside are classified as slungshots in some states. Brass knuckles are illegal in many states, but with some they add phrases like “similar items”, “of any material”; which even make those cute plastic cats illegal. Other states illegal hidden knives or non-metal blade instruments, so belt buckle or lipstick knifes and ceramic g10 knives are all included. So just because hey are sold as a non-lethal self-defense tool don’t assume its legal.
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    Just got back from a 4 day camping trip..Limited Data so I communed with Nature instead of surfing the Web. Lot's of good topics so I may as well start here.

    You make a good point SOS. After I was attacked by a dog in Mass, I started carrying pepper spray 'cause I can't carry a gun. Come to find out that I needed my CCL to carry it! I made the decision to carry anyways and take my chances. Thankfully this year they made it legal to carry pepper spray. Mass is one of those states where you really need to read the laws. They have limits on the length of a knife blade plus a whole host of weapons that you just can't take out of your house. Scary state. Thankfully in NH we have no restriction on anything. Knives, sprays, anything you could use for a defensive weapon are all good. Heck, even full auto rifles are legal but of course the Feds overrules the state.

    If I leave my state and head West or South I need to spend a lot of time researching the laws of the socialist states that surround me!
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    Unless they changed it. It is illegal to carry a BB gun but legal to carry a firearm when you have a carry license in Illinois.
    More "Renowned Liberal Logic".

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    Quote Originally Posted by notavictim View Post
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    Just got back from a 4 day camping trip..Limited Data so I communed with Nature instead of surfing the Web. Lot's of good topics so I may as well start here.

    You make a good point SOS. After I was attacked by a dog in Mass, I started carrying pepper spray 'cause I can't carry a gun. Come to find out that I needed my CCL to carry it! I made the decision to carry anyways and take my chances. Thankfully this year they made it legal to carry pepper spray. Mass is one of those states where you really need to read the laws. They have limits on the length of a knife blade plus a whole host of weapons that you just can't take out of your house. Scary state. Thankfully in NH we have no restriction on anything. Knives, sprays, anything you could use for a defensive weapon are all good. Heck, even full auto rifles are legal but of course the Feds overrules the state.

    If I leave my state and head West or South I need to spend a lot of time researching the laws of the socialist states that surround me!
    Not that I don't like your post but I bumped the like and lol button by mistake. Tapatalk can be a pain on a phone.

    Anyway, I understand what you mean.

    KY authorizes far more than OH or WV so I have to be careful.

    What is legal in my home state may get me arrested over there.

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    My son was stopped and surrounded by a "full circle" of mostly untrained sort of security people at an airport because they found a truck air horn handle in his luggage that is shaped like brass knuckles. The company he works for makes high end bling for trucks, and also working parts for trucks and cars.

    Those idiots even called in the local LEO, trying to get him arrested. The policeman told the idiots that brass knuckles are not illegal in that state, and that that gadget was NOT brass knuckles, and he told my son that was a really neat air horn handle. The idiots took it away from him anyway before they let him board his plane. Fortunately the plane had not already left the airport. So now he doesn't carry sample merchandise with him in his luggage. He has no choice about flying because he has to travel all over the US, Canada, South America and sometimes Europe.
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    It's almost impossible to keep up with the laws from state to state. You're right though, don't assume that just because It's legal to buy it that It's also legal to carry it.

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    Knife non gun laws are very sucky in most states as you noted ...Really I have always said if your traviling unless you know 100% ever place your going to be is legal dont ..In many states ever county to country city to city can vary esp on assited knifes or other tools ...Some its legal at 3inch the next one only at 2.5 etc ...

    Taser /OC etc as well can be rough limites on size etc



    Another reason to love AZ ..We dont ban the carriage of anything in the whole state save nunchucks ....Yeah there is the joke 10inch bowie knife + handgun no permit legal not problem in most places that dont serve booze ..Nunchucks nope dont do it ....Last I looked it is legal to carry anything here blackjacks,knifes of any type and size ( auto etc all fine OTF you name it ) ..No weird city or country over ride ..Pretty darn nice .

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmacgyver0 View Post
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    Unless they changed it. It is illegal to carry a BB gun but legal to carry a firearm when you have a carry license in Illinois.
    More "Renowned Liberal Logic".
    You can open carry or conceal carry (if 21 or over) without a licesne. You can get a CC license. That applies to handguns, and you can carry a rifle around. that's all legal.

    But , in a nearby city ...... A BB gun must be unloaded and in a case. You cannot open carry a BB gun around in that city.

    It's not only States, it is where some cities can also enact stupid things as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleks View Post
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    You can open carry or conceal carry (if 21 or over) without a licesne. You can get a CC license. That applies to handguns, and you can carry a rifle around. that's all legal.

    But , in a nearby city ...... A BB gun must be unloaded and in a case. You cannot open carry a BB gun around in that city.

    It's not only States, it is where some cities can also enact stupid things as well.
    I wasn't talking about what is legal with open carry, I guess I wasn't clear on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeanlouise View Post
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    It's almost impossible to keep up with the laws from state to state. You're right though, don't assume that just because It's legal to buy it that It's also legal to carry it.
    Would argue, it is absolutely impossible. Even just gun laws. Although it is no excuse, there are so many (laws) there is no way to be certain... Possession of defensive tools falls into that ever oppressive vast expanse of victimless so called crimes a free people should not tolerate.. but here we are!!!

    Evidence of that inevitable mass ignorance is all over the internet... Just on a state level here, if you observe Facebook groups exclusively LTC holders and gun owners, ignorance of state gun law is very common. Throw in the plethora of "grey" areas in the law, the ones that haven't been ruled on by the big wigs and there is just no way to be sure.
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    As others said, even within your own state. SC state has few knife restrictions, but Greenville County limits the legal blade length to 3 1/2 inches I believe. If you're going into the city though, you'd better hack off 1/2 an inch before crossing the city limits. I had to go to court one time in Greenville city and the nice officers held my nail clippers for me until I came out. What am I gonna do with nail clippers? There's a leo in the back of seating by the door and another in front by the judge but, don't you dare bring any nail clippers in there!
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    I haven't read all the posts, but the FL does not have state preemption on knife laws, so it's essentially a free-for-all on local ordinances for knives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmacgyver0 View Post
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    I wasn't talking about what is legal with open carry, I guess I wasn't clear on that.
    You just got a bit hung-up on the open carry ... if you read it .... it says here you can open carry OR CONCEAL carry without a license. Meaning YOU ..... or anyone else who can legally own the firearm and are over 21. Doesn't apply to residents only.
    Most states require a license to conceal carry ..... we don't.

    So, a lot of States are different then ours. You mentioned all kinds of other things as well, and pointing out that even the laws one some of those vary by CITY ..... NOT JUST State laws in some places.

    It's a hodge podge out there. Like when I went to Michigan, I not only read and checked their laws, I always call up the Hwy Patrol or Conceal Carry Unit if they have one and talk to them , so I know if I interpreted the laws I read correctly, or if there are any "gotcha's" in the laws. Hwy Patrol usually know more about he laws than local police (where you may also get biases or local flavors).

    And the laws are always changing in the States. So, what it was today, may not be tomorrow.

    And, if in a State where there are issues recognizing our licenses, I DO ask about open carry ..... which I still may be quite legal to do there.

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    You think you can conceal carry in Illinois without a license? Good luck with that.

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    I worked on a project in NJ for several months, so I researched the weapons laws there. Of course, guns were a no-go. But when I looked up knives, they have no prohibitions. Great! But...when I researched the topic more deeply I found out they have prohibitions against any deadly weapons and it seems it's up to the cop on the scene which category your knife is in. There are incidents of people being arrested for innocuous pocket knives. I don't know if they were convicted, but they at least had a bad day one way or another. If you used a knife in self defense, they would probably say that proves it was in the deadly weapon category.
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