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    Quote Originally Posted by elmacgyver0 View Post
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    Why would you want a .45 when .500 S&W is available?
    First, the 500 is too large for me to conceal;
    Second, the recovery time from the recoil is too great;
    Third, I would be scared to death of the over-penetration and the potential consequences of the round hitting some unintended person.

    With the .45ACP, using the ammo I'm comfortable with:

    I can control the recoil sufficiently for multiple shots;
    I know what to expect regarding penetration and am fairly certain the rounds will not exit the target in most cases;
    I know from experience the round will stop the adversary from doing what I don't want in three shots or less if I do my job;
    I believe my attorney and my expert witness will be able to justify my using a .45ACP, I am far less confident of doing so with 500 S&W.

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    It is intriguing and looks like it would be nice for deep carry, but the pickiness of ammo and difficuly in finding holsters is a little discouraging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOS24 View Post
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    It is intriguing and looks like it would be nice for deep carry, but the pickiness of ammo and difficuly in finding holsters is a little discouraging.
    I actually don't understand how this gun is getting nailed for pickiness of ammo. The only ammo it won't shoot is ammo that is not properly crimped. I understood when people made that statement about Seecamp guns given there was only one recommended brand and type of ammo (Winchester Silver Tips), but the Boberg/Bond Arms gun actually has a long list of recommended ammo. Much of that ammo is widely available even at Walmart, and some at pretty good prices.

    Holsters are available all over the internet, but, you are correct, not so much in most gun stores and big box stores unless you are content with "universal" types of holsters like those from Uncle Mike.

    Trust someone who owns two and has owned many other handguns, this gun is the best gun I've ever handled for the stated purpose of a deep cover, close range, rapidly deployed and utilized handgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChanceMcCall View Post
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    I actually don't understand how this gun is getting nailed for pickiness of ammo. The only ammo it won't shoot is ammo that is not properly crimped. I understood when people made that statement about Seecamp guns given there was only one recommended brand and type of ammo (Winchester Silver Tips), but the Boberg/Bond Arms gun actually has a long list of recommended ammo. Much of that ammo is widely available even at Walmart, and some at pretty good prices.

    Holsters are available all over the internet, but, you are correct, not so much in most gun stores and big box stores unless you are content with "universal" types of holsters like those from Uncle Mike.

    Trust someone who owns two and has owned many other handguns, this gun is the best gun I've ever handled for the stated purpose of a deep cover, close range, rapidly deployed and utilized handgun.
    I consider it picky on ammo because 2 out of 4 of 9mm ammo that I have currently in stock and regularly use is not on the list, including the defense ammo that I prefer for my P938.

    As far as holsters, they may be available all over the internet, but none of my preferred makers (4) currently make one for it.

    You may love the gun and it may be great, but if I can’t shoot the ammo that I currently use and I can’t get a holster from one of my preferred makers, then the gun is not for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOS24 View Post
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    I consider it picky on ammo because 2 out of 4 of 9mm ammo that I have currently in stock and regularly use is not on the list, including the defense ammo that I prefer for my P938.

    As far as holsters, they may be available all over the internet, but none of my preferred makers (4) currently make one for it.

    You may love the gun and it may be great, but if I canít shoot the ammo that I currently use and I canít get a holster from one of my preferred makers, then the gun is not for me.
    Just because the ammo you use isn't on the list doesn't mean it won't work, it just means it wasn't tested by Bond (can't expect them to test every ammo on the market no can you).....Holsters I can see being an issue (for you) if the makers you prefer don't make one, but holsters Are readily available (and from quality makers)

    Its a neat gun and on the "bucket list" for sure....

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    Hi! New to the forum, first post. I recently picked up a Bond Bullpup9. I have about 150 rounds through it and I have a few observations for using it as a CCW. I do love the size and the fact that it has a longer barrel than any gun its size and some much larger due to its bullpup design. I also enjoy novel engineering when it comes to firearms. Having said that, I bought the handgun with hopes I could use it as an occasional carry but not my primary carry.

    First off, after putting 150 round of Winchester White Box range ammo through it I find that it has some reliability issues. While I only had 3 failure to feeds in that 150 rounds, it is quite difficult to clear a FTF. Requiring me to lock the slide back manually (of course), and then partially ejecting the mag then pushing it back in and pulling the slide back to get the round in. A simple racking of the slide does not do it like most of my other handguns (those that have had a FTF that is). Im not entirely sure this is a "break in" issue. Dont get me wrong. I love the little gun. I will keep it but its more so because of its novel action. Will likely become a range queen.

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    My opinion on the Bullpup action is, if it was a good idea, everyone would be doing it. Hope it works out for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akadave View Post
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    Hi! New to the forum, first post. I recently picked up a Bond Bullpup9. I have about 150 rounds through it and I have a few observations for using it as a CCW. I do love the size and the fact that it has a longer barrel than any gun its size and some much larger due to its bullpup design. I also enjoy novel engineering when it comes to firearms. Having said that, I bought the handgun with hopes I could use it as an occasional carry but not my primary carry.

    First off, after putting 150 round of Winchester White Box range ammo through it I find that it has some reliability issues. While I only had 3 failure to feeds in that 150 rounds, it is quite difficult to clear a FTF. Requiring me to lock the slide back manually (of course), and then partially ejecting the mag then pushing it back in and pulling the slide back to get the round in. A simple racking of the slide does not do it like most of my other handguns (those that have had a FTF that is). Im not entirely sure this is a "break in" issue. Dont get me wrong. I love the little gun. I will keep it but its more so because of its novel action. Will likely become a range queen.

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    I love my Snake Slayer, thinking about Their BACKUP IN .45 ACP.

    Now this Bullpup thread makes me think I might want one after my
    CT surgery and I heal up,
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    Quote Originally Posted by akadave View Post
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    Hi! New to the forum, first post. I recently picked up a Bond Bullpup9. I have about 150 rounds through it and I have a few observations for using it as a CCW. I do love the size and the fact that it has a longer barrel than any gun its size and some much larger due to its bullpup design. I also enjoy novel engineering when it comes to firearms. Having said that, I bought the handgun with hopes I could use it as an occasional carry but not my primary carry.

    First off, after putting 150 round of Winchester White Box range ammo through it I find that it has some reliability issues. While I only had 3 failure to feeds in that 150 rounds, it is quite difficult to clear a FTF. Requiring me to lock the slide back manually (of course), and then partially ejecting the mag then pushing it back in and pulling the slide back to get the round in. A simple racking of the slide does not do it like most of my other handguns (those that have had a FTF that is). Im not entirely sure this is a "break in" issue. Dont get me wrong. I love the little gun. I will keep it but its more so because of its novel action. Will likely become a range queen.

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    Thanks Dave. It is always good to get thoughts from someone who actually owns the gun being discussed. Both the Boberg and the Bond Arms we own seemed to require a break in period. After 500 rounds, the problems just seemed to stop in both guns. You are spot on on clearing FTF. It is slow and difficult until you "learn the trick" and practice at it. The problem is we have not experienced any FTF since we got past 500 rounds, so we have to create the jam in order to practice. You are also correct that the gun does not lock back after the last round and never will because of the design. Again, practice for this and it does not slow you up. On the other hand, given the purpose for what the gun was designed, I'm not sure it even matters.

    Far too many people and even trainers judge guns on how they perform during three gun exercises and similar training scenarios. That is fine for uniformed law enforcement and some others, but the truth is most civilian concealed carry folk are actually hurt by that kind of training and often choose their carry guns based on advice from "experts" who have not fully thought through what civilians are most likely to encounter if they aren't crazy enough to try to function as a cop if something goes down.

    This gun was never designed as a range gun, or even a fighting weapon. It was designed as a defensive weapon and at that I believe it excels. If I were still in law enforcement, this would be a superb back-up gun, but never my primary gun. Part of that is admittedly caliber, but part of it is size. A fighting gun needs to be as close to full-size as one can carry and conceal because it will just be more accurate at distance and easier to handle. This gun is not that. It is a superb tool for "get off of me situations" and close range encounters when the adversary already has a weapon out.

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