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    Quote Originally Posted by Tree Potato View Post
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    The MWAG notice to LE will likely come out in trial. Why did cops show up? Was there a 911 call? Did they just happen to be there and notice it?

    It could be they called it in themselves, it could have been a bystander, it could even have been the top cop merely sending cops in response to the letter or email received from FC.

    The city may use the initial call to try and decrease damages paid out. Could be an interesting trial.
    Definitely. I only watch the first few minutes of the second interaction with LE.

    Did FC record the first interaction (now that I know there was one)? That interaction would be part of the nature of the second response. Without knowing the previous communications and interactions, I can not say the response was unreasonable. But the communications to LE by the park ranger (going by the info posted in this thread) could have been improper and lead to the second response.

    Or it could be that the officers were out of bounds. It all depends on what they knew at the time.
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    Appears that there was another Fishing event in Ormand Beach, I stole this from another forum, there was no link to the story, and I am no attempting to find a link.....

    This morning on the Ormond Beach pier there were about a dozen folks fishing and open carrying. First a Police officer showed up, no problems, just there to observe, then the police chief and a captain showed up with the city manager. They went out to the group and talked to the group and after a bit they left but the officer remained. I was there but not with the group, we asked if all was ok, we were curious of his response. The officer said no problem, they are with in the law, he was staying awhile to inform anyone who was taken aback by this that no laws were being broken and also inform the public this was lawful. No one seemed upset or shocked by this from what we saw, all pretty normal morning of fishing. Good to see the public wasn't in a panic because of a visible gun and the police were very cool about the event. When we left they were still there, hope the rest of their day went smoothly”.
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    Link for the above (#77) Florida Carry demonstration in Ormand Beach. That Taylor fellow is a busy guy, hopefully he stays in Pt. St. Lucie..............

    https://www.news965.com/news/local/p...jmRK2EGEzWMZO/
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    Email received from (defunct?) Florida Carry:

    OUTRAGE , SHOCK, AND
    UTTER DISGUST!
    The Board of Directors of Florida Carry are appalled at the recent treatment of six of our members at the hands of officers of the Miami Beach Police Department (MBPD) on July 24th at approximately 10:00 am.



    MBPD officer "greets" law-abiding fishermen



    Our members were peacefully fishing at South Pointe Park Pier while openly carrying firearms in accordance with 790.25(3)(h) Florida Statutes, as members of our organization have done at various locations throughout the state since 2010. The organization uses these gatherings to hand out literature regarding firearms laws in Florida, and to demonstrate that a visible gun is not necessarily a threat when held by a law-abiding citizen.

    Apparently, the law enforcement officers themselves are the threat.


    Cell phone video of the incident

    Shortly after the arrival of the six members, a yet unidentified Miami Beach Park Ranger arrived, and told our members that they were prohibited from carrying openly at the park. Our members politely informed the ranger that he was incorrect, even offering him a printed copy of the 790.25(3). The ranger refused to acknowledge the statute, and instead called who we believe to be a supervisor, who responded they did not know the law. The ranger decided to instead call MBPD, report our members, and leave the scene.

    Minutes later, a unit of MBPD officers approached our members and were greeted. Instead of a greeting and engaging in a consensual inquiry, the officers completely ignored any semblance of reasonable suspicion and at least three officers drew their service pistols and aimed them at our members, who were committing no crime, were not acting in a rude, dangerous, or threatening manner, and who were simply fishing. At gunpoint, officers threw our members to the ground, and in the process injured two of them. They then illegally confiscated the lawfully holstered firearms and were unlawfully detained without reasonable suspicion for over 90 minutes, before being released from cuffs.

    Before the lawfully owned and carried firearms were returned, and after MBPD was aware that the members had committed no crime, all firearm serial numbers were illegally recorded, and our members were told to open their vehicle trunks to the view of MBPD officers. Officers had removed cartridges from magazines, and themselves placed the firearms, magazines, and ammunition into the owner's vehicle. Owners were not permitted to open the vehicle compartment in lieu of the trunk, nor were they permitted to rearm until officers had concluded their interaction.

    Finally, the pier which by then had been empty for two hours, remained closed at the order of the City of Miami Beach, confounding our members who wished to continue fishing.

    In a Miami Herald article on the incident, Miami Beach Police Chief Daniel Oates said,



    Chief Daniel J. Oates
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    "Given the current climate, if six people show up to to (sic) a pier in South Beach carrying guns, our citizens expect us to respond promptly and address any potential danger. We did so, and I am confident our officers acted appropriately."


    The actions of the Miami Beach Police Department and the subsequent comment by Chief Oates are unconscionable, unacceptable, and unconstitutional. Florida Carry will see that the City of Miami Beach learns it cannot abuse the fundamental civil rights of Florida citizens.
    Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely!!!!! ................... and apparently is condoned by some of our alleged brethren.


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    No, I don’t condone police harassment. We have only heard one side of the story, the FC side. We haven’t heard the 911 call that would set the tone of the response by the MBPD or who made the call or calls. There must be something that sets law enforcement off on each and every FC demonstration. Is it that FC chooses piers that have high non fishing pedestrian traffic, such as the St Pete pier, participants attitudes or demeanor. Question; Why is it only FC demonstrations get on the spot news coverages, did FC forewarn the press, just happened to have their attorney present and get hassled by the PD on each and every demonstration. Why are others who open carry while fishing seldom engaged by the PD. Many believe the FC demonstrations will have an adverse effect on the open carry bill, and many believe FC is doing it for the out of court settlements. Gee, my morning walk thru the park on Singer Island was very quite and peacefull, many fishing off the pier and bulkheads, some OC’ing, one PBSO vehicle by the ramps..........

    Gee, statements such as this will surely be remembered by law enforcement on their next encounter with FC. “Florida Carry will see that the City of Miami Beach learns that it cannot abuse the fundamental civil rights of Florida Citizens”.
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    No, I don’t condone police harassment. We have only heard one side of the story, the FC side. We haven’t heard the 911 call that would set the tone of the response by the MBPD or who made the call or calls. There must be something that sets law enforcement off on each and every FC demonstration. Is it that FC chooses piers that have high non fishing pedestrian traffic, such as the St Pete pier, participants attitudes or demeanor. Question; Why is it only FC demonstrations get on the spot news coverages, did FC forewarn the press, just happened to have their attorney present and get hassled by the PD on each and every demonstration. Why are others who open carry while fishing seldom engaged by the PD. Many believe the FC demonstrations will have an adverse effect on the open carry bill, and many believe FC is doing it for the out of court settlements. Gee, my morning walk thru the park on Singer Island was very quite and peacefull, many fishing off the pier and bulkheads, some OC’ing, one PBSO vehicle by the ramps..........

    Gee, statements such as this will surely be remembered by law enforcement on their next encounter with FC. “Florida Carry will see that the City of Miami Beach learns that it cannot abuse the fundamental civil rights of Florida Citizens”.
    I never understood the blame the victim mentality .................. and never will.

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    You're all over the map on this one Chuck. You went from blaming the police, to blaming FC,.JMO

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    Now another word in the media about this. Yesterday's news, on to the next mass shooting.
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