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    Home Invasion: resident halts intruder, but is put down by police

    Careful, out there, if in a situation where you've used force against someone (robbery, home invasion, whatever). You might well get taken for "the bad guy" in the situation.

    Here's a case of "mistaken identity" in which police heard shots in a home, entered, saw "a dead body lying on the bathroom floor, and assumed he was a victim of the invasion.


    A Vietnam vet kills an intruder. Then, cops show up and shoot him dead by mistake @ CNN.com, 3 August 2018.

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    (CNN)A case of mistaken identity left a man dead after protecting his family from an invader.

    Officers were dispatched to an Aurora, Colorado home around 1:30 Monday morning. They heard gunshots coming from inside the house, according to Aurora Police Department Chief Nick Metz.

    Upon entering, officers saw a dead body lying on the bathroom floor, and assumed he was a victim of the invasion. Then, Metz said, they saw Richard "Gary" Black, 73, standing in the living room --- alive --- and armed. He was perceived as the perpetrator, so they opened fire.

    But Black was not the invader. He lived there.

    ... Then, shots rung out from inside. Black emerged shortly after, with a gun in one hand and a flashlight in the other.

    Standing by the front door, within 15 to 20 feet of Black, officers commanded Black to drop the weapon and put his hands up several times.

    "We don't know why, but for whatever reason, Mr. Black did not drop the gun," Metz said.

    Black raised the flashlight, and it was then that an officer fired four rounds at him, he said.

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    Few details, so far.

    Questions I've got:

    • How much time elapsed between the time LEOs initially engaged the resident, to the time they commanded him to drop his tools and raise his hands, to the time they fired upon the resident?
    • Was the raising of the flashlight by the resident clearly seen as only a flashlight being raised, or part of a change in the threat dynamic sufficient to cause lawful concern over loss of life and limb by the officers?


    At least one lesson to be learned: remain aware of your surroundings, including the need to engage safely and correctly with inbound LEOs, doing everything necessary to be seen as the good guy in that encounter, while being fully prepared to be initially seen as a bad guy.

    Rough situation.
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    Fairly simple and a natural reaction.
    Black had just been invaded already.

    Anybody can scream police. Its an natural instinctive reaction to shine a light to see if the ones yelling police actually are.

    Its also became pretty much a given that from simple traffic stops, to shooting care takers of mentally disabled people lying on their back with their hands in the air in broad daylight, to answering home invasion calls, the civilians involved would be much safer if LE stayed away.

    No excuse for this, no matter how they spin it.

    The officer who fired is a hopeless idiot who needs to flip burgers . That's the only job he is mentally fit for.
    Odd how most folks who say they support the Constitution as written ,,,,,,,,,,,,really don't.

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    Is there any body cam footage of this incident?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakyak View Post
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    Is there any body cam footage of this incident?
    Apparently so, though they've not yet been released.


    Aurora police chief defends officer's actions in deadly shooting, won't immediately release tapes @ The Denver Channel (ABC News), 2 August 2018.

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    AURORA, Colo. – Police Chief Nick Metz held a news conference Thursday to try and clear up the mass of confusion surrounding the Monday morning Aurora police shooting that left a man dead who’d just killed an intruder.

    Though Metz did not release body camera video of the incident or the 911 call that the wife of 73-year-old Richard “Gary” Black Jr. made to dispatch, citing garbled audio and an ongoing investigation by the 17th Judicial District Attorney’s Office, he did describe what he says he has seen and heard on the tapes after “many, many” reviews, he said.

    Metz said that the family also requested that the 911 tape and body-worn camera videos not be released after about 10 family members reviewed them earlier Thursday during a meeting with police.

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    Another tidbit: apparently the resident was hard of hearing.

    Makes me wonder whether standard police protocol and training accounts for that sort of thing.

    Certainly brings up the question of training and preparation by citizens for the inevitable inbound arrival of police officers or other personnel, in such situations. Something a lot of people clearly don't think much about, let alone effectively prepare for.

    Assuming the assailant was down and out, particularly if it was known there were inbound police officers, I wonder why the resident was still actively armed and standing there ... which to any new arrival would seem a likely candidate for 'bad guy' designation. Bummer, if he had a couple folks in the home with him who could have actively awaited any inbound officers. (Unknown if the timing was such that anyone hadn't yet been called, hence nobody was known to be inbound. Hopefully the timeline part of the investigation will make all of that clear.)
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    This kind of thing happens all the time now day. Strange how it used to be a rarity, now it's common. In almost every case the officers are cleared and given a free pass to kill some other innocent citizen. What is happening to America? I would be almost afraid to call the law after an incident such as a home invasion.
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    Police kill veteran who shot naked intruder in his Colorado home

    Didn't see this posted. If its a duplicate, delete or merge.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-...colorado-home/

    Police kill veteran who shot naked intruder in his Colorado home

    From article; Black's wife reportedly called dispatchers and described what was happening, saying that the intruder was naked and describing what her husband was wearing.

    AND,,, Late Tuesday night, police confirmed the officer who shot Black was involved in another deadly shooting in late June, the station reports.
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    Hard to comprehend how this tragedy happened when dispatch was told that the BG was naked and described what her husband was dressed in. Guy makes it through Nam and catches it in his own home saving his grandson's life.

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    The officer will be found to be justified in this murder. They most always are. It will be fun to see how the police and the district attys. spin this one.
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    One of my huge pet peeves....... dispatchers often DO NOT relay the information they have and know , to officers coming to the scene. It's caused many bad mistakes, and deaths . They have the info ... yep, the dispatchers ..... but it's not relayed to the officers. IF that's the case here, they should have the head of that dispatcher ..... and at a minimum, be open to civil suits.

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    They should have the head of the officer doing the shooting. Period

    Moron.
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    Threads merged.
    Cardinal principle: Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
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    On the RKBA: Most of what you think you know about our Constitution is wrong -- Michael Badnarik

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
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    Threads merged.
    Thank goodness. I thought the police shot another homeowner

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    Thank goodness. I thought the police shot another homeowner
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