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    Public Education at it's Finest

    Why An Atlanta School Canceled The Pledge Of Allegiance

    Now I see why so many people are turning to home-schooling.

    The way it is now, if your child doesn't like something, we'll just change our way of doing things to accommodate your child.

    https://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/why-atlanta-school-canceled-pledge-allegiance

    "This decision was made in an effort to begin our day as a fully inclusive and connected community," officials at Atlanta Neighborhood Charter School said in a letter to parents this week.
    The letter, written by elementary school Principal Lara Zelski, said that, instead, students will stand to participate in the school's "Wolf Pack Chant."
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    You've got to be kidding. There aren't enough adjectives to describe this idiocy.

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    You've got to be kidding. There aren't enough adjectives to describe this idiocy.
    And some would more than likely get me banned.
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    You've got to be kidding. There aren't enough adjectives to describe this idiocy.
    There are, we just get forum violations if we use them

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    Why An Atlanta School Canceled The Pledge Of Allegiance

    Now I see why so many people are turning to home-schooling.

    The way it is now, if your child doesn't like something, we'll just change our way of doing things to accommodate your child.

    https://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/why-atlanta-school-canceled-pledge-allegiance

    They were obviously looking for an excuse to get rid of the pledge and jumped on the first opportunity to come by.

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    The essential question is: should a loyalty oath be required as prerequisite for being educated?
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    "One nation, under God, indivisible . . ."
    Yep, sounds divisive to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
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    The essential question is: should a loyalty oath be required as prerequisite for being educated?
    Absolutely not, plenty of choices out there, home school, private schools, send the little monsters abroad, etc.
    Public schools paid for by the blood of service men and woman should acknowledge what this country is supposed to represent.
    I do realize in this day and age this position is not very "PC" correct, well I'm not very "PC" correct.

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    Update:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/09...ack-chant.html

    An Atlanta charter school changed course Thursday on a plan for students to recite something other than the Pledge of Allegiance in the morning, an official said.
    “However, it appears there was some miscommunication and inconsistency in the rollout,” Santos’ statement continued. “Starting next week, we will return to our original format and provide our students with the opportunity to recite the Pledge during the all-school morning meeting.”
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    The UNITED States of America has always been the shining jewel of how many differing people can come together as one. The Pledge of Allegiance helps those to remember that we can be different but we can still be ONE nation. On our printed money is the slogan "E Pluribus Unum" which is a Latin phrase meaning "One Out of Many." I guess that would no longer apply.

    It seems as if our Country is not uniting, but dividing along many different lines. Politics, religion, race, creed, colour, national origin, instead. Everyone wants to be a part of the U.S. but they want to preserve their separation from it as well. You can't have it both ways, it simply does not work.

    Lincoln said it quite well during his campaign for the Presidency in 1858 that ""A house divided against itself cannot stand." The divisions of the Nation led to the withdrawal of 11 States to form a new united country over the divisions that could not be resolved.

    Could we be heading in that direction again? There are folks out there who have not studied the reasons for that huge division that cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans in a War. Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it.
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    America’s population has become mongrelized by illegal immigration and relaxation of legal immigration rules designed to insure that those who came to America would adapt to the culture and Constitution of our Country. The left defends this threat on our culture, not in the interest of the immigrants, but rather in an effort to sow discontent and violence within our society. The end result desired by the left———>Democratic socialism———>socialism———>communism. Khrushchev is alive and well in our MSM, public education and the Democratic Party. Where is Joseph McCarthy when you need him?

    This quote sounds a lot more believable now than it would have in the 50s.

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    Starting in the mid-1960s I was required to stand and recite the Pledge every morning in school until I left high school.

    We were taught:

    "Aplejalleja toodafah, d'yoonine-ah stayzameka..."

    I never knew what the actual words were until I was in my 30s, and saw them written down somewhere.

    As a propaganda measure, I'd say that was a clear fail...

    Likewise, we learned "The Star-Spangled Banner", and the words were written up on the blackboard.

    It was a single verse. I had no idea there were more, until I learned them from a naturalized American who had been born in Czarist Russia.

    The irony, it burns...

    On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep
    Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
    What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
    As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
    Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
    In full glory reflected now shines in the stream,
    ’Tis the star-spangled banner—O long may it wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
    That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
    A home and a Country should leave us no more?
    Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
    Between their lov’d home and the war’s desolation!
    Blest with vict’ry and peace may the heav’n rescued land
    Praise the power that hath made and preserv’d us a nation!
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto – “In God is our trust,”
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by high pockets View Post
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    Why An Atlanta School Canceled The Pledge Of Allegiance

    Now I see why so many people are turning to home-schooling.

    The way it is now, if your child doesn't like something, we'll just change our way of doing things to accommodate your child.

    https://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/why-atlanta-school-canceled-pledge-allegiance

    Depending on the state, charter schools may have little to no connection to public education.

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    The UNITED States of America has always been the shining jewel of how many differing people can come together as one. The Pledge of Allegiance helps those to remember that we can be different but we can still be ONE nation. On our printed money is the slogan "E Pluribus Unum" which is a Latin phrase meaning "One Out of Many." I guess that would no longer apply.

    It seems as if our Country is not uniting, but dividing along many different lines. Politics, religion, race, creed, colour, national origin, instead. Everyone wants to be a part of the U.S. but they want to preserve their separation from it as well. You can't have it both ways, it simply does not work.

    Lincoln said it quite well during his campaign for the Presidency in 1858 that ""A house divided against itself cannot stand." The divisions of the Nation led to the withdrawal of 11 States to form a new united country over the divisions that could not be resolved.

    Could we be heading in that direction again? There are folks out there who have not studied the reasons for that huge division that cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans in a War. Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it.

    Here's the problem that I see with a Civil War today. When the south seceded from the Union there was a unified land mass in which to form the new country...from Maryland down. If we had a Civil War today...how would that work without a unified land mass?

    Take NY for instance. We know that the majority of Liberals live in NYC, leaving a huge state that has many Conservatives. How does a war work with that situation?

    How do we have a war between Conservative values and Liberal/Progressive/Socialist values today, unless we're talking metaphorically and in that case, we're already at war.

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    I never knew what the actual words were until I was in my 30s, and saw them written down somewhere.

    As a propaganda measure...
    It wasn't until many years later I understood what we were saying each morning, with our hands over our hearts. Afterwards, we would sing My Country, 'Tis of Thee. It seems quaint now. In my teenage years, I dismissed it for fault of a minor entering a contract.

    I believe in the ideals our flag was built on. When I see it today, I know what it's supposed to mean, but I wonder what it truly represents.

    When the flag is flown upside-down I get it.

    It seems to me the Betsy Ross 13-star version has truer clarity of principles.
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