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    Quote Originally Posted by Siam View Post
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    We will just agree to disagree on this. That is a blatant denial of 4th A rights to stop anyone beause they have a bulge that may be a weapon. Under that logic, a LEO can stop anyone in a GFZ if they see a bulge or something peeks there interest since no one should be carrying in a GFZ.
    Would someone please explain the differences between stop & frisk and a Terry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John W in SC View Post
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    Would someone please explain the differences between stop & frisk and a Terry?

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    According to this they are the same thing

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/terr...stop_and_frisk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siam View Post
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    According to this they are the same thing

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/terr...stop_and_frisk
    That was my understanding also. In which case the Supremes have set standards for PC, which is lower than the standard for an arrest. We may disagree with those standards, but they are now the law of the land.

    We can also disagree with how the standards might be applied. (The crime of "driving while black" comes to mind.)

    Any law enforcement tool or process can be abused, but that does not mean the tool or process should be abandoned. For example, our Founding Fathers gave us the grand jury presentment to protect us from abuse, yet sometimes the grand jury itself is used to abuse. I suppose some of the differing opinions are based on different points of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John W in SC View Post
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    That was my understanding also. In which case the Supremes have set standards for PC, which is lower than the standard for an arrest. We may disagree with those standards, but they are now the law of the land.

    We can also disagree with how the standards might be applied. (The crime of "driving while black" comes to mind.)

    Any law enforcement tool or process can be abused, but that does not mean the tool or process should be abandoned. For example, our Founding Fathers gave us the grand jury presentment to protect us from abuse, yet sometimes the grand jury itself is used to abuse. I suppose some of the differing opinions are based on different points of view.

    Thanks for your answer!

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    Beg to differ.

    Any law enforcement tool or process that lends itself to being abused by LE, with no repercussions in the real world, such as stop and frisk, should very much be outlawed. With serious repercussions for any LEO that violates one of the rights in the BOR.

    The law, prohibiting free felons from gun ownership is unconstitutional on its face. And I expect with another constitutionally minded justice appointed if vader finally goes, on SCOTUS will be repealed.


    Its better by far that everyone's rights are upheld as written than to give LE added authority to violate even one citizens rights.

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