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    Trump is a business/financial focused guy. 2A is not in his realm of concern. It could be the dance between Trump and the NRA, is the NRA’s fear Trump will do something to “show” he is not influenced by the NRA by favoring some firearm related restrictions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sporadic View Post
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    Trump is a business/financial focused guy. 2A is not in his realm of concern. It could be the dance between Trump and the NRA, is the NRA’s fear Trump will do something to “show” he is not influenced by the NRA by favoring some firearm related restrictions.
    Then he should not have campaigned as,if it was, his realm of concern to get gun owner votes he won't get next,time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sporadic View Post
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    Trump is a business/financial focused guy. 2A is not in his realm of concern. It could be the dance between Trump and the NRA, is the NRA’s fear Trump will do something to “show” he is not influenced by the NRA by favoring some firearm related restrictions.
    When he became POTUS he said an oath that indeed make him a "2A" guy and 2A concerns should be at the top of his list.

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    Whatever. Trump may be a disappointment, but voting Dem is voting for 2A disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spclopr8tr View Post
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    Whatever. Trump may be a disappointment, but voting Dem is voting for 2A disaster.
    Was it a disaster under Obama?

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    Was it a disaster under Obama?
    Wasn't for lack of trying, RKBA-related "destroyer" that he was.

    Due to insufficient left-leaning presence in both houses of Congress, whatever else can be said. Several of the awful proposals floated in Congress, indeed pressed quite severely, failed to garner sufficient votes only by the skin of our teeth. Part of it was, too, that a royal stink was raised over the several months during the ramp-up to those votes in Congress, such that many of the waffling types in Congress recognized they'd likely pay a severe cost to their careers if they chose to pop a hole in the Constitution.
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    What everyone is forgetting, is none of this crap makes any difference. THE, and I MEAN THE single most important thing Trump will do as POTUS, is his Appointments to the SCOTUS. PERIOD.

    SCOTUS is not now, nor has it ever been a friend to the Second Amendment. That bit of truth isn't going to change by anyone Trump has or may appoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakyak View Post
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    Was it a disaster under Obama?
    No. But that was because of the balances in Congress that prevented gun control laws from reaching the president's desk and the anti-2A legislative traitors were still lying "we aren't trying to take away your guns". With the current crop of presidential candidates most have openly stated they intend to come after most firearms short of revolvers and double barrel shotguns. For now, the Senate continues to act as a speed bump, but even some "conservatives" in the Senate think "common sense" gun control laws aren't necessarily bad. With a Hillary, Beto, Booker, etc. in the oval office, all who have openly advocated for extremely restrictive gun laws, and with possible Dem majorities in both houses, THAT would be a disaster for 2A.
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    Might not make any sense but Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said 360,564 people had registered suppressors as of 2012. In 2015, that number hit 792, 282 that’s not much of a ban in my opinion.
    It may only be a $200 stamp tax, but the restriction itself pushes the market price to 10x-15x what it should be - In Europe, you can buy one as easy as a scope for $50

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    Well, let's try this on for size.

    Coming election Dems get control of both houses but Trump remains POTUS.

    Dem congress starts sending up major gun regulation.

    Trump ,other than talk, has shown he has never seen a gun regulation he wouldn't sign.

    So how is that any better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spclopr8tr View Post
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    No. But that was because of the balances in Congress that prevented gun control laws from reaching the president's desk and the anti-2A legislative traitors were still lying "we aren't trying to take away your guns". With the current crop of presidential candidates most have openly stated they intend to come after most firearms short of revolvers and double barrel shotguns. For now, the Senate continues to act as a speed bump, but even some "conservatives" in the Senate think "common sense" gun control laws aren't necessarily bad. With a Hillary, Beto, Booker, etc. in the oval office, all who have openly advocated for extremely restrictive gun laws, and with possible Dem majorities in both houses, THAT would be a disaster for 2A.
    Yes, Democrat majorities could be a disaster. The problem IMO, is it seems that a lot of Republicans and Pro 2A supporters easily brush off the infringements that have been dealt by a Republican president etc. It's almost as though people are fine with infringements if they come from a Republican, because the alternative is worse. All that attitude is going to getting us IMO, is closer to losing our 2A rights.

    I don't want to keep adjusting the size of the hole in the boat, that's letting in water. Doing that only adjusts the amount of time it will take for the boat to sink. I want to plug the hole and begin siphoning water out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost1958 View Post
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    Well, let's try this on for size.

    Coming election Dems get control of both houses but Trump remains POTUS.

    Dem congress starts sending up major gun regulation.

    Trump ,other than talk, has shown he has never seen a gun regulation he wouldn't sign.

    So how is that any better?
    If he can be made to see that he can veto it all, it'll at least force a two-thirds majority to pass such crap.

    IF he can be made to see the unconstitutionality of it. Of course, he's a supposed "deal" maker. One who thinks deals can be made with the liberties of others. So, even that's a long-shot.

    If the uber-libs gain control of both houses of Congress, in the 2020 election, no matter who's in the WH, they'll stab for the heart of the 2A/RKBA and the blood won't coagulate for at least the next 24mos. And if one of the avowed leftist autocrats gets the "top" job along with both houses falling, we can say sayonara to much of the RKBA as we know it. They'll vote it into the ground. And SCOTUS will go on fiddling, while the flames consume a bright ugly hole in the BOR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nedrgr21 View Post
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    It may only be a $200 stamp tax, but the restriction itself pushes the market price to 10x-15x what it should be - In Europe, you can buy one as easy as a scope for $50
    That's why I don't know whether to buy one now, or hope that a miracle occurs and they get taken off the NFA. I checked at a gun shop while on my trip and they said the waiting time is 10-12 months!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
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    SCOTUS is not now, nor has it ever been a friend to the Second Amendment. That bit of truth isn't going to change by anyone Trump has or may appoint.

    ^^^^^^I don't believe I mentioned the 2nd Amendment specifically^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    . In general we, as a nation are better off with who Trump would put there for 30-40 years than a Bernie, Killary , Shotgun Joe or Beto.
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