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    Exclamation VA: Governor Northam declaring war upon the RKBA, July 9 special session in legislature

    It's war again, in Virginia. This time, at the hands of current Governor Northam.

    A special session is being held on July 9 at the legislature, to cover the Governor's proposed anti-gun, anti-RKBA laws.

    The whole kitchen sink is being emptied on this attempt. Kiss your RKBA good-bye, in Virginia, if this unconstitutional crap succeeds.

    The VCDL is hosting a protest rally at the state capital.



    Virginia! Governor Northam to Convene Special Gun Control Session on July 9th! @ NRA ILA.

    Excerpt:

    Following the tragedy in Virginia Beach, Governor Ralph Northam held a press conference outlining his plans to enact new gun control proposals that will significantly restrict the rights of Virginia’s law-abiding gun owners while doing nothing to stop criminals. Gov. Northam and his media allies are desperate to deflect attention from scandals1 involving all three statewide officeholders and are trying to scape-goat Virginia's law-abiding gun owners for the actions of a madman.

    If Gov. Northam gets his way, Virginia will have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. Gov. Northam knows that none of his proposed gun control would have prevented the tragic murders in Virginia Beach, but they will make it harder for law-abiding Virginians to exercise their constitutional right to self-defense. Don't let Gov. Northam take away your rights and put your safety at risk.

    ...


    Governor Northam Declares War on Gun Owners @ VCDL.

    Excerpt:

    Governor Northam is engaging in a despicable act of political theater after the Virginia Beach tragedy in order to deflect attention from his recent scandals and to pay back ex-New York Governor Michael Bloomberg for his massive contributions to Democrat candidates during the last election.

    Governor Northam is calling a special session of the General Assembly on Tuesday, July 9th, to do nothing but pass more gun control!

    Governor Northam seeks to penalize law abiding gun owners without harming criminals.


    The stated purpose according to the Governor is to avoid having another Virginia Beach-type massacre. The trouble is that not a single piece of legislation that Northam is pushing would have changed anything in Virginia Beach:


    • Red Flag laws - forget the unconstitutionality of this law, no one thought the Virginia Beach murderer to be a threat, so that law would have changed nothing
    • Universal Background Checks - the Virginia Beach murderer passed at least two background checks, just like the Virginia Tech murderer. And street thugs don't go through background checks to get their guns
    • One Handgun a Month - the murderer bought the two handguns he used a year apart, not even a month apart
    • "Assault Weapon" ban - no "assault weapons" were used in the Virginia Beach massacre. Long guns are rarely ever used in crime
    • Magazine-capacity limits - the commission on the Virginia Tech massacre concluded that restricting magazine size would not have changed the outcome
    • Silencer/suppressor ban - it is extremely rare that a lawfully owned suppressor is used in a crime. They are not popular with criminals because 1) the gun shot is still loud and 2) it doubles the length of a handgun, making it much more difficult to conceal
    • Bump-stock ban - bump stocks have only been used in one crime, out in Nevada and there is no evidence that it increased the number of injuries or fatalities
    • Allow local government to implement gun control (get rid of firearm pre-emption law) - the Virginia Beach government building was already a "gun-free zone." What are they going to do, make it a double-gun-free-zone? This legislation would make gun laws in Virginia extremely hard to comply with, benefiting criminals, who don't care about laws, and dissuading good people due to the complexities of carrying legally as they travel through the state
    • Punish those who've had a gun stolen if they don't report it quick enough - as if having your gun stolen isn't bad enough, you will get punished by the State if you don't report it fast enough. How do you prove you reported the theft within the arbitrary timeframe the law would require?
    • Charge gun owners with a felony if a child has access to loaded gun - this includes a "child" who is a 17-year-old, has broken into your locked house, and found a loaded gun in your nightstand! There have been many cases where someone under 18 has used a firearm to save their life during a home invasion. That would get the parent a felony charge under this law.


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    It's war again, in Virginia. This time, at the hands of current Governor Northam.

    A special session is being held on July 9 at the legislature, to cover the Governor's proposed anti-gun, anti-RKBA laws.

    The whole kitchen sink is being emptied on this attempt. Kiss your RKBA good-bye, in Virginia, if this unconstitutional crap succeeds.

    The VCDL is hosting a protest rally at the state capital.



    Virginia! Governor Northam to Convene Special Gun Control Session on July 9th! @ NRA ILA.

    Excerpt:

    Following the tragedy in Virginia Beach, Governor Ralph Northam held a press conference outlining his plans to enact new gun control proposals that will significantly restrict the rights of Virginia’s law-abiding gun owners while doing nothing to stop criminals. Gov. Northam and his media allies are desperate to deflect attention from scandals1 involving all three statewide officeholders and are trying to scape-goat Virginia's law-abiding gun owners for the actions of a madman.

    If Gov. Northam gets his way, Virginia will have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. Gov. Northam knows that none of his proposed gun control would have prevented the tragic murders in Virginia Beach, but they will make it harder for law-abiding Virginians to exercise their constitutional right to self-defense. Don't let Gov. Northam take away your rights and put your safety at risk.

    ...


    Governor Northam Declares War on Gun Owners @ VCDL.

    Excerpt:

    Governor Northam is engaging in a despicable act of political theater after the Virginia Beach tragedy in order to deflect attention from his recent scandals and to pay back ex-New York Governor Michael Bloomberg for his massive contributions to Democrat candidates during the last election.

    Governor Northam is calling a special session of the General Assembly on Tuesday, July 9th, to do nothing but pass more gun control!

    Governor Northam seeks to penalize law abiding gun owners without harming criminals.


    The stated purpose according to the Governor is to avoid having another Virginia Beach-type massacre. The trouble is that not a single piece of legislation that Northam is pushing would have changed anything in Virginia Beach:


    • Red Flag laws - forget the unconstitutionality of this law, no one thought the Virginia Beach murderer to be a threat, so that law would have changed nothing
    • Universal Background Checks - the Virginia Beach murderer passed at least two background checks, just like the Virginia Tech murderer. And street thugs don't go through background checks to get their guns
    • One Handgun a Month - the murderer bought the two handguns he used a year apart, not even a month apart
    • "Assault Weapon" ban - no "assault weapons" were used in the Virginia Beach massacre. Long guns are rarely ever used in crime
    • Magazine-capacity limits - the commission on the Virginia Tech massacre concluded that restricting magazine size would not have changed the outcome
    • Silencer/suppressor ban - it is extremely rare that a lawfully owned suppressor is used in a crime. They are not popular with criminals because 1) the gun shot is still loud and 2) it doubles the length of a handgun, making it much more difficult to conceal
    • Bump-stock ban - bump stocks have only been used in one crime, out in Nevada and there is no evidence that it increased the number of injuries or fatalities
    • Allow local government to implement gun control (get rid of firearm pre-emption law) - the Virginia Beach government building was already a "gun-free zone." What are they going to do, make it a double-gun-free-zone? This legislation would make gun laws in Virginia extremely hard to comply with, benefiting criminals, who don't care about laws, and dissuading good people due to the complexities of carrying legally as they travel through the state
    • Punish those who've had a gun stolen if they don't report it quick enough - as if having your gun stolen isn't bad enough, you will get punished by the State if you don't report it fast enough. How do you prove you reported the theft within the arbitrary timeframe the law would require?
    • Charge gun owners with a felony if a child has access to loaded gun - this includes a "child" who is a 17-year-old, has broken into your locked house, and found a loaded gun in your nightstand! There have been many cases where someone under 18 has used a firearm to save their life during a home invasion. That would get the parent a felony charge under this law.


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    He has always been a jack booted thug. It's on open display now. He forgets where the power comes from. Make ordinary citizens into criminals, then he should expect violent response. Should these laws come to pass expect open resistance outside of urban areas.

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    I will be at the state capital with the VCDL on Tuesday, visiting legislators, attending the rally and attending legislative committee meetings afterwards. The Republican majority is firing back with bills of their own. One would create harsher mandatory sentencing for people convicted of violent crimes using a gun. That would not have prevented the Virginia Beach tragedy, but it would keep those most likely to commit violent crimes off the street longer. The other is a bill that would allow government employees with CHLs to carry guns at work. The Republicans will pass them and Northam will veto them.

    But this special session is all political theater. Everyone is posturing for the elections in Nov. that could very easily change both houses of the VA legislature from blue to red. The biggest thing we're worried about is Republican defections on these anti-gun bills.

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    What really should infuriate everybody is that he admits his desired infringements would not have prevented the shooting yet he wants to punish lawful gun owners. He really deserves to be impeached and removed from office.

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    Seems Virginia is good at electing Governors beholding to the Dem party, anti-gun legislation, and being corrupt. Definitely not acting in behalf of it's citizens. It's been amazing to me..... they seem to keep doing it . Is it the implants in Govt that work in Wash DC but live in Virigina, putting this flavor into politics there ???

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    Seems Virginia is good at electing Governors beholding to the Dem party, anti-gun legislation, and being corrupt. Definitely not acting in behalf of it's citizens. It's been amazing to me..... they seem to keep doing it . Is it the implants in Govt that work in Wash DC but live in Virigina, putting this flavor into politics there ???
    For a long time, it was all the liberals in the Virginia suburbs of DC that kept out executive branch mostly blue, although we had some red there until recently. Now urban areas like Richmond, Roanoke, Charlottesville (ironically where Thomas Jefferson lived) and the Tidewater Area have turned blue. I doubt we will every see red state executives again.

    The big thing to know about VA politics is we are a huge target of Bloomberg money. I can guess what his strategy might be, but it would be speculation. But we are a major target of outside-the-state political donations. The balancing factor, for the moment, is both houses of the legislature are Republican and the party has stayed in line very well in voting pro-gun, in part because of the efforts of the VCDL. This Nov. will be a real challenge. Almost every seat in both side of the legislature is up for grabs. The anti-gun liberals will be pushing hard, and getting a lot of outside help, to get the legislature under Democrat control.

    I think the strategy of this special session is to propose that whole list of anti-gun legislation, have the legislature vote it all down, and then use that against them in Nov. They will target the handful of districts where the Republican seats are the weakest. It would only take a few seats to flip the legislature.

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    The big thing to know about VA politics is we are a huge target of Bloomberg money. I can guess what his strategy might be, but it would be speculation. But we are a major target of outside-the-state political donations. The balancing factor, for the moment, is both houses of the legislature are Republican and the party has stayed in line very well in voting pro-gun, in part because of the efforts of the VCDL. This Nov. will be a real challenge. Almost every seat in both side of the legislature is up for grabs. The anti-gun liberals will be pushing hard, and getting a lot of outside help, to get the legislature under Democrat control.
    Bloomberg dumped a bunch of money into our State for anti-gun laws, and the Dem's tried their best. However, our Legislature is 2/3'rds read ..... so they passed a bunch of pro-gun bills ......... and we were glad to see Boomberg blow a lot of his money . Being determined ... he did it again next election ...... wasn't successful then either.

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    Bloomberg dumped a bunch of money into our State for anti-gun laws, and the Dem's tried their best. However, our Legislature is 2/3'rds read ..... so they passed a bunch of pro-gun bills ......... and we were glad to see Boomberg blow a lot of his money . Being determined ... he did it again next election ...... wasn't successful then either.
    Good for your state! VA is right on the edge. It is a matter of a couple of legislators either way in both the Senate and the House.

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    For a long time, it was all the liberals in the Virginia suburbs of DC that kept out executive branch mostly blue, although we had some red there until recently. Now urban areas like Richmond, Roanoke, Charlottesville (ironically where Thomas Jefferson lived) and the Tidewater Area have turned blue. I doubt we will every see red state executives again.

    The big thing to know about VA politics is we are a huge target of Bloomberg money. I can guess what his strategy might be, but it would be speculation. But we are a major target of outside-the-state political donations. The balancing factor, for the moment, is both houses of the legislature are Republican and the party has stayed in line very well in voting pro-gun, in part because of the efforts of the VCDL. This Nov. will be a real challenge. Almost every seat in both side of the legislature is up for grabs. The anti-gun liberals will be pushing hard, and getting a lot of outside help, to get the legislature under Democrat control.

    I think the strategy of this special session is to propose that whole list of anti-gun legislation, have the legislature vote it all down, and then use that against them in Nov. They will target the handful of districts where the Republican seats are the weakest. It would only take a few seats to flip the legislature.
    Not only this but party switching as well. There are several newly minted Republicans who were Democrats during the last election cycle. I don't believe they will support 2A rights.

    When I retire it is unlikely to be in Virginia. This once great state that gave so much to America is now heading into the toilet. So Kant damn Yankees have moved south the Old Dominion is all but ruined now.

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    Something the conniving thief in the VA governor's mansion should contemplate, along with the other destroyers of liberty:


    Freedom, not force, has made America great @ Fox News, op-ed by John Stossel, 3 July 2019.

    Excerpt:

    We have reason to celebrate.

    Independence Day honors the founding of America. It's the anniversary of the day in 1776 that the Declaration of Independence was approved.

    The declaration was important.

    It didn’t say that America would be the best country because it would have the biggest military, toughest leaders, most government giveaways or tightest borders.

    The great innovation that day in Philadelphia was the declaration that the United States would have a limited government, rooted in the idea that every individual has inalienable rights.

    In other words, we do not get our rights from government. They already exist. The government’s job is to protect our rights.

    It’s a good thing to say out loud while watching the fireworks with your family.

    The world took notice when American colonists told their king: "Bug off. We will trade with you and respect your borders, but no longer will we allow you to rule us." Revolutions in France and elsewhere took their cues from America.

    It was America’s emphasis on limited government — wanting to make sure no one in government would ever again wield power like that of the British king — that made our revolution the greatest and most lasting success of recent centuries.

    Other countries replaced kings and aristocrats with new forms of bureaucracy and tyranny.

    France created revolutionary committees that murdered dissenters. Russia replaced its czar with a communist police state that confiscated farms, killing millions.

    The U.S. government, by comparison at least, remained humble. It mostly allowed citizens to forge their own destinies and choose where to live, what professions to pursue and what to say and publish, gradually expanding those freedoms to more Americans, not just the white men who were in that room in Philadelphia in 1776.

    ... America happened — and continues to happen — spontaneously, when its leaders are smart enough to just stay out of our way.

    America will do best if we remember that the Declaration of Independence talks about "limited" government and reminds us that every individual has inalienable rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
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    Something the conniving thief in the VA governor's mansion should contemplate, along with the other destroyers of liberty:


    Freedom, not force, has made America great @ Fox News, op-ed by John Stossel, 3 July 2019.

    Excerpt:

    We have reason to celebrate.

    Independence Day honors the founding of America. It's the anniversary of the day in 1776 that the Declaration of Independence was approved.

    The declaration was important.

    It didn’t say that America would be the best country because it would have the biggest military, toughest leaders, most government giveaways or tightest borders.

    The great innovation that day in Philadelphia was the declaration that the United States would have a limited government, rooted in the idea that every individual has inalienable rights.

    In other words, we do not get our rights from government. They already exist. The government’s job is to protect our rights.

    It’s a good thing to say out loud while watching the fireworks with your family.

    The world took notice when American colonists told their king: "Bug off. We will trade with you and respect your borders, but no longer will we allow you to rule us." Revolutions in France and elsewhere took their cues from America.

    It was America’s emphasis on limited government — wanting to make sure no one in government would ever again wield power like that of the British king — that made our revolution the greatest and most lasting success of recent centuries.

    Other countries replaced kings and aristocrats with new forms of bureaucracy and tyranny.

    France created revolutionary committees that murdered dissenters. Russia replaced its czar with a communist police state that confiscated farms, killing millions.

    The U.S. government, by comparison at least, remained humble. It mostly allowed citizens to forge their own destinies and choose where to live, what professions to pursue and what to say and publish, gradually expanding those freedoms to more Americans, not just the white men who were in that room in Philadelphia in 1776.

    ... America happened — and continues to happen — spontaneously, when its leaders are smart enough to just stay out of our way.

    America will do best if we remember that the Declaration of Independence talks about "limited" government and reminds us that every individual has inalienable rights.
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    Not only this but party switching as well. There are several newly minted Republicans who were Democrats during the last election cycle. I don't believe they will support 2A rights.

    When I retire it is unlikely to be in Virginia. This once great state that gave so much to America is now heading into the toilet. So Kant damn Yankees have moved south the Old Dominion is all but ruined now.
    Where I would like to retire is my home state of Missouri. It seems to be moving up the rankings as being one of the most red states and one of the most gun friendly states in the country. As long as you stay out of St. Louis City and north St. Louis County (a la Ferguson), it's pretty cool there. If I could just convince my wife...

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    Well, well. The "special" anti-liberty session of the VA state legislature adjourned at 11am EDT. That's 3hrs ago.

    Yet there is no video available online of that session.

    Surprise, surprise.

    They don't want the citizens who've hired them to know they're about to be freshly screwed over by the hired help.


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    EDIT: Correction. (Jumped the gun.) Now, the VA legislature has posted the video: click (MP4 vid).
    Last edited by ccw9mm; July 10th, 2019 at 10:39 AM. Reason: VA state legislature video link added
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