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    Something far more sinister may be afoot. Rumors are circulating Marine Reserve units have been notified they may be needed on US Soil. The radicals in the Democratic Party may go for it. Keep a close watch. The time to lock and load may be very near when true Americans will be required to defend the Office of the President, our Republic, and the Constitution against those seeking a coup.

    I can’t believe this is happening in our country. God save the Republic.

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    Something far more sinister may be afoot. Rumors are circulating Marine Reserve units have been notified they may be needed on US Soil. The radicals in the Democratic Party may go for it. Keep a close watch. The time to lock and load may be very near when true Americans will be required to defend the Office of the President, our Republic, and the Constitution against those seeking a coup.

    I canít believe this is happening in our country. God save the Republic.
    I've seen that!!! Certainly things have evolved precipitously close to such a move.
    They desperation is obvious to anyone paying attention. They are being investigated by the administration. They know it. They have friends in the intelligence community. Not just our IC either. Five eyes comes to mind.
    Desperate people are dangerous no doubt. But what we are seeing goes much deeper than left and right. What Trump and we are dealing with is a global criminal cabal that has infiltrated our government. They were happy for many years enriching themselves by selling us out through one scam after another.
    Then came Donald Trump who knew what they were up to. He started shutting down their operations right out of the gate. Borders, trade, pulled us out of the climate scam, hard core on human trafficking, shut down Obama's money laundering agreement with Iran, exposing the media for the deep state propaganda they are, and the list goes on and on.
    Could very well be that Trump has been the first president in the last 50+ years actually elected by the people and not chosen and backed with globalist $$$$$.
    The corruption is far deeper than any of us can even imagine I'm afraid. If it were to be exposed all at once it would shatter our country. Trump knows the depth of it, they know he knows. He has already "declassified" and handed it off to Barr. Huber investigating Hillary, Durham investigating FISA abuse, and who knows what else. The IG report is ready, or so it has been reported.
    Never seen anything like it. Desperation we are seeing could very well lead what is being speculated, as far as why Trump is activating them.
    Last president that even dare talk about what they were up to, and shutting them down, didn't fare to well. Nothing, the way I see it, is out of the realm of possibility!!!!

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    Interesting development today. Just as Pelosi is getting impeachment underway regarding Trump's alleged messing with Biden, her fellow San Francisco Democrat, Sen. Diane Feinstein, comes out and endorses Joe Biden for the Democratic nomination, snubbing fellow San Francisco Democrat Kamala Harris and the current front runner, Elizabeth Warren. Biden also comes out and says he thinks Pelosi is "doing a great job." This seems to be more of a circle jerk than normal.

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    Interesting development today. Just as Pelosi is getting impeachment underway regarding Trump's alleged messing with Biden, her fellow San Francisco Democrat, Sen. Diane Feinstein, comes out and endorses Joe Biden for the Democratic nomination, snubbing fellow San Francisco Democrat Kamala Harris and the current front runner, Elizabeth Warren. Biden also comes out and says he thinks Pelosi is "doing a great job." This seems to be more of a circle jerk than normal.
    I think the reason ol' Joe is being pushed on us is that he has been in the system and those that have been there with him know what he has done and know how to control him.

    They really do not want to have to bring a newb up to speed as that can create havoc they do not need at this time considering how President Trump has shined light on their malfeasance.

    We need to keep the pressure on them by re-electing President Trump because if a Democrat wins, they will sweep all of this under the rug and continue their march towards full Socialism.

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    I think the reason ol' Joe is being pushed on us is that he has been in the system and those that have been there with him know what he has done and know how to control him.

    They really do not want to have to bring a newb up to speed as that can create havoc they do not need at this time considering how President Trump has shined light on their malfeasance.

    We need to keep the pressure on them by re-electing President Trump because if a Democrat wins, they will sweep all of this under the rug and continue their march towards full Socialism.
    Yep, I 100% agree. We may have to hold our noses to vote for Trump, but if we don't, we in for a full-on assault of the RTKABA. Biden just published his "Plan to Eliminate Gun Violence" his campaign website. It includes the following and I think he has the experience in bipartisan legislative horse trading to get a significant portion of it done:

    • Repeal the Lawful Commerce in Arms Act so gun makers can be sued.
    • Ban manufacture and sale of "assault weapons" (per the old Assault Weapons Ban) and high cap mags
    • Ban importation of "assault weapons" and high cap mags by executive authority
    • Regulate current ownership of "assault weapons" and high cap mags through the NFA
    • Fund a "buyback." So you either sell them to the gov't or apply under the NFA
    • Limit of one firearm purchase a month
    • Background checks for all gun sales except gifts between close family members
    • Reinstate the Social Security and VA policies that if you have someone handling your entitlement finances, you are a prohibited person
    • Prohibit individuals who have been convicted of even a misdemeanor "hate crime" from ever owning guns
    • FBI would have 10 days to complete NICS checks
    • End all online sales of guns, ammo, parts, kits and accessories
    • Confiscate guns already owned from prohibited persons
    • Incentivize states to enact red flag laws
    • Incentivize states to enact gun licensing programs
    • Incentivize states to submit all records of prohibited persons to the FBI/NICS
    • Prohibit all individuals convicted of assault, battery, or stalking from purchasing or possessing firearms, regardless of their connection to the victim
    • Put America on the path to ensuring that 100% of firearms sold in America are smart guns
    • Firearms storage laws
    • Required reporting of lost or stolen firearms
    • Prohibit "ghost guns" (80% receiver builds)
    • Restructure and beef up ATF to enforce all of the above

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    White House has officially told Pelosi they won't comply with their nonsense!!!
    The problem with that is, one of Congress's official duties and responsibilities is to provide checks and balances, via their oversight function, in part through their subpoena power and responsibility to solicit testimony, documentation, etc.

    Refusal to have any part of that, by the Executive, equates to a very real constitutional crisis, one that questions the very underpinnings of the three-branch form of federal government we have.

    Equivalent refusal by the Executive to comply with the Judicary, for example, would nullify the ability of court rulings to matter at all. If refusal nixed enforcement of them.

    Bad juju, down that path.

    Only one way this can go, if SCOTUS has any appreciation for the Constitution, the form of representative republican government we have. And that's to rule against any such outright refusals and to see such as contemptuous and criminal obstruction. I suspect the Dems, and many others, are relishing the opportunity, as this is (so far as I can tell) the first iron-clad proof of outright obstruction that exists, done directly and by Trump's own hand. Caution is due ... if the Constitution is to survive.
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    The problem with that is, one of Congress's official duties and responsibilities is to provide checks and balances, via their oversight function, in part through their subpoena power and responsibility to solicit testimony, documentation, etc.

    Refusal to have any part of that, by the Executive, equates to a very real constitutional crisis, one that questions the very underpinnings of the three-branch form of federal government we have.

    Equivalent refusal by the Executive to comply with the Judicary, for example, would nullify the ability of court rulings to matter at all. If refusal nixed enforcement of them.

    Bad juju, down that path.

    Only one way this can go, if SCOTUS has any appreciation for the Constitution, the form of representative republican government we have. And that's to rule against any such outright refusals and to see such as contemptuous and criminal obstruction. I suspect the Dems, and many others, are relishing the opportunity, as this is (so far as I can tell) the first iron-clad proof of outright obstruction that exists, done directly and by Trump's own hand. Caution is due ... if the Constitution is to survive.
    Everything you said is basically true except none of it applies UNTIL there is an official House Impeachment of the President. According to Constitutional Scholars, this means there must be either a verbal vote in the House or a Bill must be drawn up and then passed by the House.

    Neither have occurred.

    At this point this is nothing more than a Witch Hunt.

    As such, The Executive Branch can very well tell the House to pound sand.

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    Everything you said is basically true except none of it applies UNTIL there is an official House Impeachment of the President. According to Constitutional Scholars, this means there must be either a verbal vote in the House or a Bill must be drawn up and then passed by the House.

    Neither have occurred.

    At this point this is nothing more than a Witch Hunt.

    As such, The Executive Branch can very well tell the House to pound sand.
    Hm.

    So, a subpoena from Congress means everything if under the auspices of an investigation the whole House has approved, whereas a subpoena from Congress that a committee issues is invalid?

    I'm unfamiliar with the case law of the subpoena powers of Congress, but I suspect there are more than a few rulings, out there, that could clarify.
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    Hm.

    So, a subpoena from Congress means everything if under the auspices of an investigation the whole House has approved, whereas a subpoena from Congress that a committee issues is invalid?

    I'm unfamiliar with the case law of the subpoena powers of Congress, but I suspect there are more than a few rulings, out there, that could clarify.
    That pesky "Co Equal" branch thing ya know.

    Everything has to be done Officially, not just a fishing expedition.

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    That pesky "Co Equal" branch thing ya know.

    Everything has to be done Officially, not just a fishing expedition.
    Issuance of the subpoena would be an official act.

    Can't imagine such a thing (a subpoena for witness testimony on whatever) requires a full vote of the House to issue one.
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    Issuance of the subpoena would be an official act.

    Can't imagine such a thing (a subpoena for witness testimony on whatever) requires a full vote of the House to issue one.
    I am just going by what Mark Levin and many more Constitutional Experts have said and that is, until there is a vote or bill passed to start Impeachment proceedings, no impeachment proceedings exist thus there can be no subpoena's in regards to impeachment.

    Once it is voted on and there is an official impeachment process going on, then BOTH sides have subpoena powers. As it is now, the House is claiming only they can subpoena witnesses and the Executive Branch is not allowed to attend the hearings, cross examine them, or even talk to them.

    That is why it must be voted on.

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    I am just going by what Mark Levin and many more Constitutional Experts have said and that is, until there is a vote or bill passed to start Impeachment proceedings, no impeachment proceedings exist thus there can be no subpoena's in regards to impeachment.

    Once it is voted on and there is an official impeachment process going on, then BOTH sides have subpoena powers. As it is now, the House is claiming only they can subpoena witnesses and the Executive Branch is not allowed to attend the hearings, cross examine them, or even talk to them.

    That is why it must be voted on.
    Mark Levin and other attorneys with constitutional backgrounds might well know, but I have yet to see anything in the Constitution that dictates a requirement for votes or passage of a bill in order to authorize oversight (investigatory, including subpoena) powers. (I'm sure "House Procedures" have been written to tangle up the Constitution's requirements, but I know of no Constitutional limits on that authority. Only an implied power to inquire into the conduct of public offices in order to effect oversight, which SCOTUS has also upheld.)

    Of course, there's also the 5A's protections of due-process, formality of accusations, the ability of one to face one's accusers, etc. Though, technically, an inquiry is one thing but a trial (which is under the purview of the Senate) is something different.

    We'll see how it plays out.
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    I am just going by what Mark Levin and many more Constitutional Experts have said and that is, until there is a vote or bill passed to start Impeachment proceedings, no impeachment proceedings exist thus there can be no subpoena's in regards to impeachment.

    Once it is voted on and there is an official impeachment process going on, then BOTH sides have subpoena powers. As it is now, the House is claiming only they can subpoena witnesses and the Executive Branch is not allowed to attend the hearings, cross examine them, or even talk to them.

    That is why it must be voted on.
    What is Obamas take on this....he is a Constitutional expert I understand.

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    What is Obamas take on this....he is a Constitutional expert I understand.
    I think we all know what his take on it is.
    Not exactly rocket science there.

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    I am just going by what Mark Levin and many more Constitutional Experts have said and that is, until there is a vote or bill passed to start Impeachment proceedings, no impeachment proceedings exist thus there can be no subpoena's in regards to impeachment.

    Once it is voted on and there is an official impeachment process going on, then BOTH sides have subpoena powers. As it is now, the House is claiming only they can subpoena witnesses and the Executive Branch is not allowed to attend the hearings, cross examine them, or even talk to them.

    That is why it must be voted on.
    Pelosi won’t do it. She knows better. The freshman idiots not so much.

    Experienced demoncrats are terrified of Trump having subpoena powers. They should be. Much is hidden.

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