These are great shafts if you want to start using carbon shafts. Very thin and works well in wind. Comes with Bohning F nocks as well which is a plus. I personally like pins but you can always remove them if you want. I bought lots of these to donate to some churches I know that have archery related clubs for youths. Unless you are competing and really good, these are awesome shafts. In fact, if competing they are still great shafts

Just thought I would let you guys know. (BTW: Same shaft as the ones produced this year..just a different logo on th shaft...which is actually quite annoying if you want to keep purchasing them over the years..they always look different)

Victory VAP Target Elite Arrow Shaft w/ 2016 Logo